Comments on: It’s Not Just Climate Change Anymore. Meet the Right-Wing Poverty Deniers. https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/ Real People. Real Stories. Real Solutions. Mon, 05 Mar 2018 22:10:13 +0000 hourly 1 By: vaccinia https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-453 Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:23:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-453 In reply to BridgetD.

This generalization fits 99.5% of the population, so yeah, it is merely a highly accurate generalization. You may think they would be better off staying where they are, but the hoards of people trying to get to our shores says otherwise. But I certainly agree that being sick would be a deal changer, yet I am fairly certain they would rather be sick in the US, than sick in Somalia….

Having been homeless myself, I found that the Safeway dumpster was a pretty good place to find food. On thursdays at 4:30, they threw out all the day old bread and expired groceries, still wrapped in plastic! Won’t find that in Somalia. I’m not saying there is no hardship in the US, just not any real poverty…..

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By: BridgetD https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-452 Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:24:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-452 In reply to Matt.

Not all poor people do live well here. I grew up poor, and although my childhood wasn’t the greatest because of it, we were incredibly fortunate. Those who I have rubbed shoulders with in my time weren’t always so lucky. I’ve met more than one person living homeless because they couldn’t afford both rent and cancer treatment. I’ve met more than one family where the parents had to forgo food for themselves in order to feed their kids. I’ve met many children whose only reliable source of food was through free and reduced lunch programs. It may not be the third-world, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that people in the US don’t have access to food, medicine, or a simple roof over their heads; for as rich and powerful a country as we, it is inexcusable. The argument that it could always be worse is tired; we can’t take care of all the world’s problems, but we can (and should) at least take care of what is going on in our own backyard.

Obama was neither the best nor the worst that the United States has ever had. The Republicans have caused a lot of problems in his term, but the Democrats have been far from perfect (not just the president, as he is only one man in the large convoluted web that is our government). We are always looking for a simple answer, one person or group that can take all of the blame. Real life isn’t so black and white. There are a lot of problems when it comes to the poverty issue, and there is no one perfect solution that will make everyone happy. That’s not to say we should sit back and do nothing; we all at least want our society to get to the same place, low income-inequality, low poverty levels, low unemployment and a large middle class. Basically a healthy economy. The question is how to get there, and that’s where the discrepancy lies. Personally, I think that a lot of liberals push too far in the the direction of equal opportunity to the point of enabling certain groups (and perpetuating the victim mentality of certain groups of traditionally oppressed people), whereas I don’t think that conservatives push near far enough. The great American myth pushed by the right (aside from the trickle down theory, which is also bunk) is that you can get anywhere with hard work, and that needs to die. Sure, hard work is an important factor in getting ahead, but it isn’t the only one.

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By: BridgetD https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-451 Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:58:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-451 That’s a generalization, given that even in my own experience, I’ve met multiple people who were homeless while dying of cancer or some other illness (usually cancer), children who did not have enough to eat, and so on and so forth. A middle class family from Somalia might want to trade with my family (poor, but not below the poverty line, and fortunate enough to have a wonderful family and good charities willing to help us when things got too bad), but I think that they would have a better time where they are than being homeless and sick, even in America.

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By: BridgetD https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-450 Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:48:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-450 I grew up in a family that was “poor” but not below the relative poverty line…in fact, we were about $60k-$70k annual household income for a family of six, so we couldn’t get government assistance if we wanted to. Mostly by our own merit, we had food to eat, clothes to wear, at least one junker of a car in working condition at a time so that my father could drive to work during the weekday, a microwave and fridge, and a roof over our heads that usually had heat, electricity, and internet, phones, and air conditioning (although honestly, it wasn’t uncommon in my home that something was shut off due to inability to pay the bill, or something broke and we were unable to pay to get it fixed).

I’m very grateful for all that I had, but I have to say that I did not have an easy childhood in the slightest. We’ve always had health problems in my family, and I spent much of my time in hospitals and waiting rooms. Many of my luxury items (including certain clothes, toys, even big things like computers and a Gamecube) were gifts or from charities. Even necessities such as gas for the car or food often came from charity.

Still, I was fortunate compared to those that I have rubbed shoulders with throughout my life. There have been several people that I can remember who were sick with severe and life-threatening illness (most often cancer) and who had lost their homes just trying to pay for treatment. There were several families struggling to make ends meet while raising small children, sometimes going without food themselves in order to feed those kids. Some of the kids were homeless themselves. Some mothers and children were trying to escape an abusive father and husband (I know that women can also be abusive, but I’m talking about those that I’ve personally met). Some were struggling with physical and/or mental illness, and had no access to care.

I know that there are poor people living in other countries who are suffering so much worse than most poor people here…that doesn’t account for everyone, and it certainly doesn’t excuse what many Americans do go through when we can do something to change it. How is it right to force someone have to choose between feeding their child and feeding themselves, or choose between a home or lifesaving medicine? How is it right to allow our children to live a transient life in the most critical years of their development because their parents can’t afford rent? We are among the wealthiest countries in the world. It is inexcusable that we have people living in 3rd world conditions.

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By: BC SHelby https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-446 Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:28:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-446 …I am really embarrassed that this man represents the state I was born and raised in.

I think we need to take Billy Ray Valentine’s (“Changing Places” 1983) advice to deal with people like Ryan and all the heartless republicans in Congress as well.

“it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people”

The same applies to those who abuse their power.

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By: john eremita https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-444 Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:38:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-444 Here is a flow chart from Dan Mitchell’s site http://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/WM-Welfare-Chart-AR-amendment-110215-jpeg.jpg The author wants us to believe little is being done AND offers no real ideas, just a rehash of liberal dogma: tax the rich, create a program, fund more of the same program and never cut a program. Cuts, which generally mean no increase, not a real decrease. Referring to people as assets is not a denegration. Economists, from what I have read, consider human capital the most important of all. What is wrong with wanting them to be productive citizens? Not only for the country but for themselves. No one denies poverty exists and it is a shame that it does. However, US citizens give and sacrifice plenty for the government to administer the taxes taken to fund above programs, as well as charitable contributions for the poor. Author does not mention generation after generation requiring assistance which is far too common in the US. Author incredibly believes in changing the definition of poverty to include even more people. If programs don’t work now for the poor, adding more will be better? And makes light of the material goods which low income families possess because it is a FACT. What we want and desperately need is a change to the status quo. Hopefully new ideas can show some different results. Sowell and so many others have written extensively and reliably on this subject. Will someone in government and elsewhere, finally try something different which may even require LESS money, but different mindset? When any Republican tries to offer something in this debate, they are ALWAYS made to lack credulity, intelligence and compassion. Part of the liberal strategy. People who live in cities can see for themselves how the beneficiaries of aid live.

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By: Wayne Lusvardi https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-443 Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:22:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-443 The author unintentionally makes the point that poverty is relative and that its definition now includes entitlement to many luxury goods. And since the author’s understanding of the world is mostly ideological, she omits that minimum wage jobs are often an entry ticket to qualifying for a cafeteria of other assistance programs such as low utility rates, Section 8 housing, inclusionary housing, Medicaid, Pell Grants and scholarships, cheap cell phones and phone plans, etc. I once worked as a welfare eligibility worker and as an affordable housing analyst. By my calculation, in California a head of a household of four people earning an $8 hour minimum wage (before the hike to $15 hour) could realize $4,500 more than a similar family of four making the median income. There are those working in the cash economy that make as much or more than the median income. One needs to get beyond the ideological level of understanding, whether Right or Left, to understand “poverty” in a technological welfare state.

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By: Matt https://talkpoverty.org/2016/06/15/not-just-climate-change-anymore-meet-right-wing-poverty-deniers/#comment-442 Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:37:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16573#comment-442 I was poor for a lot of years and still live in a poor area. The fact is, poor people do live fairly well. The argument that heritage makes is that with all the conveniences that technology has provided, all people live really well in the U.S.. This is something liberals don’t understand because they have not seen true third-world poverty. Their solution is to pay social workers to help poor people instead of helping poor people themselves. It’s the dumbest argument I have ever heard. Also, I find it odd that the author says the economy is not doing well. All liberals know that the Obama economy is the best ever. Maybe if liberals would admit Obama sucks instead of just blaming Republicans, then people would listen to them. However, I have yet to see any flying pigs.

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