Comments on: A Wake-Up Call for White Progressives https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/ Real People. Real Stories. Real Solutions. Mon, 05 Mar 2018 22:02:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Wyomingdude https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-582 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:59:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-582 Hillary chose to live in chappaqua, which according to the 2010 census, has a 1.8% AA population. I guess diversity is for others, and not the liberal elite.

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By: John Say https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-580 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:04:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-580 Let’s not over simplify.

The initial confrontation between Williams and Brown was over jay walking.

Freddie Gray was arrested for having a pocket knife that MIGHT have been a millimeter too long.
Regardless, when you take someone into custody – you assume complete responsibility for their well being.
If Gray was throwing himself arround – it was the polices responsibility to prevent him from harming himself.
If they did not want that responsibility, they should not have arrested him on ludicrous charges.

Martin was shot by a Hispanic – Zimmerman who was not a police officer

Eric Garner was “arrested” for selling loose cigarettes – an offense that normally results in a citation.
His “Resisting arrest” consisted of being loud and angry and refusing to stand still and drop to the ground as ordered.
He was not “violent”, and harmed no one. The officers should have written him a summons and left.

Regardless, again you arrest someone – you take responsibility for them.
There is no “fragile victim” defense to either crimes or torts.

The police are expected to deal with violent criminals. Homeless people, people with mental health issues, suicidal people. … without killing them or having them kill themselves.

I have alot of problems with BLM – because they misrepresent the facts – as are you.

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By: John Say https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-578 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:37:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-578 In reply to whidbeytom.

The minimum wage sets the level of skills one must have to get a job. The higher the minimum wage is the less likely you are to get a job if you are poorly educated, untrained, unskilled with no work experience.

Prior to the enactment of MW laws in this country the unemployment rates for blacks and whites were very nearly the same – after the rates for blacks are double or more those of whites.

Two major groups supported the early minimum wage – Jim Crow southerners, and white Unions,
the arguments made were overtly racist.

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By: mdelduco https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-576 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:29:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-576 Yes, put up your sign up in “Whiteyville” and your elitist neighbors will be so proud of you when they come over for a BBQ.

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By: John Say https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-574 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:22:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-574 IF you are a parent – white, black does not matter, and have not told your children in the event of an encounter with a police officer to be respectful, polite, keep your hands in view, follow the officers orders, move slowly, and call a lawyer, then you are not doing your job as a parent.

Police stops are dangerous. Maybe they are more dangerous for blacks – the statistics are less clear on that, the stops of blacks, the shooting of blacks, the arrests of blacks, are all directly proportional to the percent of crimes committed by blacks AND to the reports of crimes by blacks. Regardless, they are dangerous for all of us. Getting shot would be a bad outcome, but there are innumerable other possibilities. Whatever you tell an officer during an encounter can later be used against you. Stops for speeding, tail lights etc. are pretexts.
Traffic stops are one of the primary ways that the police have of investigating crime more broadly. A police stop is an opportunity for the officer to look through your car. If there are leaves on the floor – you could face a drug arrest. Sometimes tests come back wrong – and you could face a false conviction. If you do not show the officer the respect he thinks he deserves – and most of us are not in the mood to show the police respect when they have pulled us over for some minor traffic issue, the officer can escalate the confrontation. You could face aggravated assault charges – because that is what shoving a police officer is. You say the officer shoved you, you did not shove him ?
Your word against his.

Most officers are just doing their job. They are as annoyed by the stop as you are, they hope to find nothing. But most is not all. Regardless a traffic stop is one of the more dangerous tasks a police officer performs, so you can expect their adrenalin levels to be very high.
So at a police stop everyone is amped on adrenalin, our fight or flight instincts are kicked in and those options are unavailable. We are all expected to remain civil and rational when our hormones are driving us away from civil and rational.

Regardless, if you have not had the same talk about police stops with your children that you beleive that black families must have with theirs – you have done your familiy a disservice.

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By: Pa Brad https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-573 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:08:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-573 In reply to whidbeytom.

The minimum wage was the invention of labor unions to prevent less educated and less skilled workers (blacks, mostly) from undercutting higher union wages. The higher the minimum wage is raised (read: “living wage”) the more it hurts the least educated, least skilled and least experienced (teen) workers, whose labor doesn’t provide enough value or generate enough revenue to justify paying the minimum. They probably just won’t be hired. It’s not the business owners and managers who are racist–it’s the policy.

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By: mdelduco https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-564 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:30:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-564 Facts are a bad thing for liberals because they never have any…….

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By: mdelduco https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-562 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:29:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-562 Exactly!!!

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By: Wyomingdude https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-560 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:20:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-560 Great post, Tim. Thanks for taking the time to write this.

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By: SandMan00 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-558 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:19:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-558 In reply to Ed The Oregonite.

If he really wanted to show his solidarity with the downtrodden black, he would move his family out of lily white Chevy Chase and into Southeast DC.

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By: Wyomingdude https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-556 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:11:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-556 The heck with your sign. Do a house swap with a minority family that lives in a 97% black neighborhood to show your true allegiance. Otherwise, this is a feel good charade the author should be ashamed of.

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By: Anton https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-555 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:04:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-555 Just to make sure, i read it twice and still came up with the conclusion that i wasted my time, first time around

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By: 0REALLY https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-554 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:04:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-554 The sheep are being led.
Led to their own fleecing

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By: SandMan00 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-552 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:02:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-552 This author is the poster boy for effete bleeding heart liberals who worsen every problem they attempt to solve. They misdiagnose the cause of problems then violate the law of unintended consequences with their supposed solutions. Stupid guilty white liberal “solutions” have killed more young black men than white cops have ever killed.

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By: Anton https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-551 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 11:01:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-551 In reply to whidbeytom.

Actually that thinking is racist and paternalistic

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By: Calvin's Cardboard Box https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-550 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:52:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-550 And make absolutely sure to put a big sign on your yard in order to ensure that your neighbors know just how Progressive you are and that you have the correct political beliefs which prove that you are a member of the elite!

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By: sherry chastain https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-549 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:50:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-549 A truly ridiculous article. Crime and behavior most often lead to bad police outcomes…NOT race.

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By: Mark David https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-548 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:26:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-548 “lily white” neighborhood……….presumptuous, as well as arrogant to assume that those in your “lily white” neighborhood have not had those conversations already.

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By: jagiela https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-547 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:23:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-547 Shooting white cops has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter- except that’s not what the shooter said

Let’s go through the list:

Michael Brown was shot because he charged a police officer

Alton Sterling was shot because he resisted arrest

Trayvon Martin was shot because he assaulted a neighborhood watch

Eric Gardenr died resisting arrest

Should I go on?

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By: OBUMYA https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-546 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:22:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-546 The biggest destruction for blacks is NOT the police.
Its idiot white progressives and their “help”

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By: redlobster https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-540 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:11:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-540 You’re part of the problem.

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By: whidbeytom https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-536 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:55:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-536 In reply to Cobra_x30.

please explain why the minimum wage is racist

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By: FredZiffel https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-533 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:43:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-533 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jan_Pawel_and_Quiana_Jenkins_Pietrzak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Thomas_and_Jackie_Hawks

Here’s the murders that outrage me, most folk in the US have never heard of these
incidents, for obvious reasons. Selective outrage, much?

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By: laura https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-531 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:33:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-531 and me living in uber Liberal Berkeley with BLM and Bernie signs up everywhere worried that if I put my Blue Lives Matter sign outside my house will get shot up and my car vandalized.

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By: Ed The Oregonite https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-530 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:26:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-530 I like the part where the dad tells his daughter the black parents worry for their kids because of their skin color. I wonder if he would let his 10-year-old white child go and play in the seedy areas of DC?

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By: Ed The Oregonite https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-528 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:24:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-528 The father makes sure his 10-year-old daughter knows about white racism. Why doesn’t he take her on a Friday night walk through some of the dangerous black neighborhoods in DC…let her see what the police deal with…wouldn’t that be a balanced approach to education? Somehow, I don’t think that’s the objective.

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By: Martin Weiss https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-525 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:56:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-525 Wonder if any black families are going through the same artificial anxiety about putting a blue live matter sign in their yard ?

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By: WutYouTalkinBout https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-524 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:49:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-524 White people are more likely to be shot by the police. Enough with your lies.

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By: Baroo00 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-523 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:46:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-523 In reply to Eric377.

Cops are wimps.

Tweeting is how the real tough guys respond!…

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By: Baroo00 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-522 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:42:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-522 We know…

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By: millermp1 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-517 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:26:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-517 What utterly typical and tedious posturing.

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By: Ed The Oregonite https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-514 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:17:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-514 Bill…all those suggestions take WORK. It’s so much easier to just be disruptive and yell and chant. Plus, the media just eats it up. Why work when you can be on TV!?!

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By: Frank https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-511 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:05:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-511 Most certainly a wake up call. A wake up call to be something other than a self proclaimed progressive.

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By: Straightthinker https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-510 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:05:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-510 This guy is saying he understood the issues but chose to do nothing. Understandable. Now he wants to do something. Put a sign in his yard? Why? Make people understand? Is there ANYONE in America that doesn’t understand the issues already? Really?

No. A sign is worthless. So, what else can he do?

I’m listening!

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By: Arthur Tweedie https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-509 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:03:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-509 Yeah, you’re a hypocrite progressive alright. I’ll bet you count that single black family in your sub as proof you have black friends to prop up non-existent bonafides to your clique of fellow white guilters. Keep the BS coming, Greg!

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By: Ed The Oregonite https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-504 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:45:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-504 This is how people like Hillary Clinton get elected.

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By: Cobra_x30 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-503 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:40:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-503 In reply to ReadMyLips88.

I agree that the minimum wage is racist. I don’t think the drug war is overtly racist… but it definitely impacts low income people much more than wealthy folks. I also agree that expanding the EITC would help.

I don’t think that would fix the crime problem. People don’t commit crime because they are poor. People turn to crime because they don’t believe in the system and hate the rest of society. They feel opressed and that justifies criminal behavior in their minds. All people are like this. This is also why “broken windows” policing is so effective.

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By: Vinz https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-499 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:31:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-499 Wake up. The police are the good guys; they preserve civilization. By focusing on the fiction that police are somehow targeting blacks with undue racist lethal force, the Black Lives Matter movement and leftist media are tearing the country apart. 6000 black men were shot last year. 40 unarmed blacks were shot by police in 2015. That’s 0.6% of the total. Each death is a tragedy, and I’m sure the police can learn lessons from terrible mistakes.

But for the media and BLM to make each police tragedy into the sole national focus by repeating it over and over and over again perpetuates the fiction in the minds of blacks that the police are racist killers. It undermines public safety. It is so destructive to the national fabric.

And if black lives truly matter–which they absolutely do–can we please focus on the factors that contribute to the 99.4% of violent male black deaths that clearly aren’t tragic mistakes on the part of authorities? Of course, doing that is a lot harder than whining about police tactics; it forces us to ask sobering questions about the breakdown of the family and community structure. Sorry, but there are no easy answers.

Time to look yourself in the mirror and ask if you’re part of the solution.

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By: Ken moss https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-492 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:53:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-492 Well said and TRUE.

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By: ReadMyLips88 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-490 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:49:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-490 Hardly. They do that when they’re trying to survive and think that their only option is to sell drugs and kill of their rivals or anyone who disrespects them.

People need freedom from racist laws like minimum wage and the idiotic war on drugs, combined with some simplified form of safety net like an expanded EITC. That would immediately improve the lives of millions of people of all races, genders and classes.

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By: Bruce Coe https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-487 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:44:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-487 http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/14/ignorance_of_facts_fuels_the_anti-cop_movement_131188.html

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By: Eric377 https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-485 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:33:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-485 Even more effective would be to become a police officer. Then your explanations to your young children would probably carry even greater moral authority. Unless, of course, your wife told you no way in heck you are going to run those kinds of risks.

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By: dis-remembered rose https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-482 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:21:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-482 Virtue signaler. Useless and pandering.

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By: Bill of Rights Supporter https://talkpoverty.org/2016/07/13/wake-up-call-white-progressives/#comment-480 Thu, 14 Jul 2016 03:12:00 +0000 https://talkpoverty.org/?p=16854#comment-480 Let me ask you, how did you ‘know’?

“White people who stand for justice need to say loudly and clearly that we know shooting police has nothing to do with #BlackLivesMatter”

I am a white person and I stand for justice. I also stand for waiting for enough facts to come in before adding my voice to the conversation.

Try more critical thinking in your everyday routine, you will be happy you did and better informed.

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